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Open Wheel93	No more Open Wheel Rookie Award	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1067 (06/29/09 10:42:05) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I received a call on Friday from Justin Loh. He informed me that Williams Grove is giving Rookie of the Year awards and Mechanic of the Year awards, and that we are not to do anything!!! This call was in response to a call I made to him about 2 weeks ago about the award. From talking with 'someone in the know', this must have been a snap decision as everything was OK with us doing it a week ago. I don't know what happened.....I heard the question was asked as to how much I made off of the award....they should have asked how much it cost me! Because I put some money and a lot of time, as did Kimmiee, into making the award possible. I take that as an INSULT!!!! If us starting the much overdue award last year, woke them up........then I guess we did what needed to be done....but why ruin a good thing, and why wait until the middle of the season and drop this bomb on us. We had people lined up to donate prizes and were ready to start selling tickets. I want to thank everyone who made last year's awards possible....especially Kimmiee and Mike. I just hope that this year's awards are not some chintzy plaque or a small trophy. I am proud of the beautiful trophies that we awarded, along with the cash we gave to all of the rookie drivers. "I love going to Silver Springs and watching the sportsman. The cars weigh 1900 pounds, or there abouts. They got small wings, manual steering and its the best show." ....Lynn Paxton
nomore		#1	[-]
Posts: 44 (06/29/09 14:30:50) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Open wheel.....That sucks.... But just to let you know I and I'm sure everyone else appreciates all the work Kimmie and yourself did last year....It was a good thing...its a shame that the first thing to come out of someones mouth was how much you made. Anyone with common sense knows it wasn't about you making money but a few getting what they deserve..If i were to win the award...Id be sure at the banquet to tell them they may keep their trophy....
KGSkins		#2	[-]
Posts: 645 (06/29/09 15:05:56) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hey Bud. I know your upset about this and I heard about it lil over the weekend. I'm not upset about it at all. My view is I'm very very proud of you my friend. You and Kimmie took the ball and ran with it, You made Williams Grove look stupid. You showed them how it can be done. They didn't want to do it because then they would have to dig in thier own pocket. Great Job done by both of you. Even thou they said that your award isn't needed...... It's because you made them look stupid! So crack a bottle, let your body waddle Don't act like a snobby model you just hit the lotto O-oh o-oh, bitch's hopping in my Tahoe Got one riding shotgun and no not one of them got clothes Now where's the rubbers? Whose got the rubbers? I noticed there's so many of them and there's really not that many of us. Ladies love us, my posse's kicking up dust. It's on till the break of dawn and we're starting this party from dusk *Eminem~*
bmotb		#3	[-]
Posts: 1046 (06/29/09 15:49:40) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	OW and Kimmiee did a wonderful job last year and all the work is deeply appreciated! I must say in Mike I think you took the pay comment the wrong way! You asked me to talk to Justin about the night of the giveaway and I did just that! Justin really knew nothing of what you guys really did last year! Remember Justin was on the sprint car side of the banquet. He asked me all kinds of question as to what was done last year and I told him t-shirts and other gifts were donated by teams and fans and then raffle tickets were sold at the picnic. I then said how the money earned went into trophies and cash awards for the rookie drivers, and being the business man he is he asked me if they kept any or made any money off of this and I told him no that it all went back to the drivers! Justin said ok and that he would call OW (Mike). I thought everything was ok untill Mike called me and told me the news! Justin takes mondays off from anything racing related, so I will talk to him tomorrow about this! Maybe we shamed them, maybe not, but Mike and Kimmiee deserve an answer and I will get it ( good or bad)! Your Signature ...
Open Wheel93		#4	[-]
Posts: 1069 (06/30/09 07:57:47) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sorry it I took it the wrong way Mike, and I didn't mention where I heard it, so as not to involve you......but, can you understand how I felt when yo told me that. I know Justin is a businessman, and maybe he thinks a profit needs to be made on everything, but I pride myself on honesty and integrity, and just hearing that hurt deeply. "I love going to Silver Springs and watching the sportsman. The cars weigh 1900 pounds, or there abouts. They got small wings, manual steering and its the best show." ....Lynn Paxton
Sandy		#5	[-]
Posts: 15 (06/30/09 11:45:09) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	That is a bummer - all the time and effort you and Kimmiee put into the ROY award. But it seems that the work you guys did was greatly appreciated. Rookies should be compensated for their efforts each year. I heard your trophies were really, really nice too. Open Wheel93 wrote: Sorry it I took it the wrong way Mike, and I didn't mention where I heard it, so as not to involve you......but, can you understand how I felt when yo told me that. I know Justin is a businessman, and maybe he thinks a profit needs to be made on everything, but I pride myself on honesty and integrity, and just hearing that hurt deeply. (Memphis): Without disappointment you cannot appreciate victory. (Det. Roland Castlebeck): Did Eleanor tell you that?
Old Timer4	Another Option	#6	[-]
Posts: 644 (07/09/09 13:08:51) Moderator More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	OW, I haven't seen anything new on the award subject so I'm guessing it's a done deal and you're no longer welcomed to honor the rookies. Have you considered reviving the sportsmanship award? I believe that was dropped once we left the Springs, also. As I remember it, the drivers nominated a fellow driver that they thought demonstrated the best in sportsmanship throughout the season. Maybe you could run with that but if you drop the whole Open Wheel award idea I can certainly understand given the situation.
Open Wheel93		#7	[-]
Posts: 1090 (07/09/09 13:21:30) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I haven't heard anything else....BMOTB said he would find out what was happening, and he hasn't gotten back to me. Last year, John Krall paid for plaques for the Sportsmanship awards for our series, but he is gone. I really don't want to do anything until I know where we stand. I got the impression from the tone of the phone call, that we wouldn't be welcomed to do any award, and as time rolls on, it's getting too late to do anything. My original call, and Kimmiee's attempt to talk to Cathy, were to see how and if we could coordinate with the Disney deal on Kid's night, and this Saturday night would be our last shot at even attempting to do anything at the Grove before then. I'm willing to do anything to have something for our teams, but I don't get the impression that the opportunity will avail itself. "I love going to Silver Springs and watching the sportsman. The cars weigh 1900 pounds, or there abouts. They got small wings, manual steering and its the best show." ....Lynn Paxton
KIMMIEE	WELL	#8	[-]
Posts: 640 (07/18/09 11:41:59) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	WELL IT HAS BEEN 20 DAYS SINCE MIKE SAID HE WOULD GET US SOME ANSWERS. MIKE SAID WE DESERVED THE ANSWERS, I GUESS WE DON'T DESERVE ANY ANSWERS SINCE HE HAS NOT GOTTEN OR GIVE US ANY. MIKE I HAVE ALWAYS RESPECTED YOU AND MY RESPECT IS STARTING TO DWINDLE SINCE YOU HAVEN'T KEPT YOUR WORD. YOU SAID YOU'D GET ANSWERS AND HAVE NOT OR YOU HAVE NOT HAD THE HEART OR GUTS TO POST THEM. THIS IS A SLAM AND I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY IT TO YOU. MAYBE I WAS WRONG AND YOU ARE AS BAD AS JUSTIN AND HIS BOSS. ONLY CARE ABOUT WHAT SUITS YOU. NO NEED TO CARE ABOUT THE LITTLE PEOPLE OR THE FANS AS LONG AS THEY PAY THEIR MONEY WHEN THEY COME THRU THE GATE. THIS ONE REALLY, PERSONALLY HURTS MIKE. Last Edited By: KIMMIEE 07/18/09 11:53:18. Edited 1 times.
KIMMIEE	BMOTB	#9	[-]
Posts: 651 (07/31/09 20:04:27) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sorry If I made you mad or offended you, but in all fairness you did not keep your word. You put it in writing for all to see and the facts speak for themselves. My last post or not, you said you would get us answers and that was the end of it. Have you not gotten the answers. You were to talk to Justin on 7-1-09 it is now 7-30-09 and still nothing. What's up? Did you not think your not keeping your word might hurt OW and my feelings? Be a stand up guy and keep your word, WHERE ARE THE ANSWERS YOU WERE GOING TO GET US?
ghoward		#10	[-]
Posts: 2 (07/31/09 20:43:32) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ok i know i should really just keep my yap shut .been stewin over this since i seen the write up.so uncool you guys had a good thing going and from what i heard gave out some nice stuff..well was going to write more but dont need to get myself in anymore hot water ..well maybe you can give another type or award away...well later to all geoff(spelling sucks on to many meds lol)
speedster		#11	[-]
Posts: 33 (08/01/09 10:51:08) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Newsflash you started this to have a rookie of the year award correct? Now the track is funding a rookie of the year award that means mission accomplished does it not? Stop whining the point is helping the racers it shouldnt be about you. You guys are so caught up in having your name and your award out there that it has gone from making an award for the racers to essentially making an award for you. My opinion is what you all did last year was great and now we have a rookie of the year award. Here's an idea if you really want to continue to help the racers how about making another award such as sportmanship award, most improved driver and team award, or a hardluck award. Theres plenty of things you can do please stop crying about this.
KIMMIEE	I AGREE WITH YOU SPEEDSTER	#12	[-]
Posts: 652 (08/01/09 11:17:48) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I agree with you speedster. There are plenty of other awards we could give. I think I can safely speak for OW here too, to give another award to the drivers is exactly what he wanted to do. The problem is that BMOTB was going to find out if we could do that, and there has still been no answer as to if we could. And as for my crying about it, Mike made a comment about this on another post and I was only responding to it. Your right it is not about me it is about the drivers. But I believe it is fair for me to comment when someone gets mad at me because they did not keep their word. If you feel that is wrong Speedster than we will just have to disagree.
Open Wheel93		#13	[-]
Posts: 1113 (08/01/09 12:46:19) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	There's a few things that haven't been said before, but if you think that we are in this for ourselves, maybe some of it needs to be said. First, us doing that award was OK'd at the beginning of the year! Later, Kimmiee went to see the "power" that is at the Grove to check on some things, and was rudely told that she didn't have time for her. When I heard Disney was coming, I called and asked how we could work with them, or if we should do our thing on another night, so as not to take away from their show (which I thought was going to be a lot more then it is).....I heard nothing for several weeks, and then received a phone call as I was driving back from a Missions Trip down south, and was told quite abruptly, that we were not to do anything, that the Grove was doing the awards. I am happy that they are undertaking the awards, but it was not handled in a professional manner, and what very few know or realize is that this was much more then the Rookie of the Year Award. This year the drivers were pumped and at least one ordered T shirts, just so he could give us some for the drawing. Many other drivers had things all lined up for us and were excited...........BECAUSE.......as I said, this turned out to be more then the award......there were many fans who were behind this,...many people made comments that they were excited to win prizes last year and were pumped to win something this year....especially the kids. This award was bringing fans together and, I feel, starting to create that 'Family' atmosphere that we keep hearing that we lost since we left Silver Spring. So you see, it was the start of a tradition that we hoped would grow each year, as we were doing all four divisions this year. There is more I could say, but what I have said should explain why we are disapointed in the way things went down. No....it's not all about us......it's about the Saturday night teams and fans. "I love going to Silver Springs and watching the sportsman. The cars weigh 1900 pounds, or there abouts. They got small wings, manual steering and its the best show." ....Lynn Paxton
speedster		#14	[-]
Posts: 34 (08/01/09 13:28:01) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You have to go through grove management to give money and an award to teams? Who said you have to do it at the banquet? If it is about the drivers then make it about the drivers. Give them the award plaque and money at the last race, get your publicity through the message boards. If fans and drivers are pumped up they will find you. Do what you have to do, you all seem like smart people to me if its really about the drivers and not about you, you shouldnt mind not getting the publicity and recognition you recieve at the banquet. There are tons of people that give thousands of dollars to teams and never get a mention and are perfectly happy about it because they are about the racers. Again stop crying about how your being treated and do what you have to do.
77feline		#15	[-]
Posts: 10 (08/01/09 13:57:15) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	speedster are you an idiot or is it just you cant comprehend what yu read You don't mess with this Cat.
speedster		#16	[-]
Posts: 35 (08/01/09 14:12:37) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Why am I an idiot please explain. They want to award a race team/driver for an accomplishment why does the grove being rude to them on the phone have to stop them from doing what they wanted to do? I give money and time to teams all the time and dont have to post about it on an mb. If I decided I wanted to do a prettiest car award and give them $150 and a plaque I could do that without telling the grove. I dont understand why they have to make a big deal over not getting to make a spectacle of their award. You all need to remember if these people (Mike, Allen, and Justin) wanted to be jerks we wouldnt be racing so dragging there name through the mud is getting us no where. Like I said if you wanna give back do what you have to do.

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