Keeping the Grove as the home track????

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (Sandy) — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:59:18 GMT

bmotb wrote:
Fan count and car count is up this year! Track was, well lets say a little lackluster last week. Racing will never be what the Springs was and in my opinion other than last Saturday it has been pretty good! The late models have been really race on our ultra smooth surface! I have said all along we need to race the Grove every available Saturday night! Weather looks real good for Saturday so remember if we get 36...

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (racedawhile) — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:50:08 GMT

KGSkins-Wasn't throwing rocks I just couldn't disagree with what you said.

Kimmiee-I like the way you are thinking and this is the reaction that I was hoping to see when I posted this topic. I think you will find the only problem with promoting the saturday night series is that may take away from the grove's bread and butter-friday nights- and they are not going to chance that.

I think there are only 2 ways this will play out in the future:
1) The SS find...

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (KIMMIEE) — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:09:14 GMT

I must disagree with you on part of this one Mikey. The night the 358 sprints were at the Grove for the Saturday show the track surface was terrible. There was not one 358 that came in after the feature who's tires were not completely smooth the whole way across. I can not say for all the sportsman that night, but the dozen or so sportsman drivers I talked to said the same about their tires as well.

I agree on having a home track and to not have as many tour races as we do. But...

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (bmotb) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:02:30 GMT

Fan count and car count is up this year! Track was, well lets say a little lackluster last week. Racing will never be what the Springs was and in my opinion other than last saturday it has been pretty good! The late models have been really racey on our ultra smooth surface! I have said all along we need to race the Grove every available saturday night! Weather looks real good for saturday so remember if we get 36 cars or more we will again put 26 cars in the feature! Weather looks bad for...

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (someone who knows) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:49:27 GMT

you dont have to be so smart.. i just stated a comment to what i heard.!sorry that i busted your grapevine..

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (22WILDCHILD) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:29:40 GMT

FIRST OFF SOMEONE WHO KNOWS YOUR GRAPEVINE IS BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!

I ASSURE YOU FISHER HAS NO INTEREST WHAT SO EVER IN THE SPORTSMAN. SO LETS NOT EVEN BRING THAT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SECOND RACEDAWHILE YOU MUST NOT HAVE READ MY ENTIRE POST. THERE ARE CARS THAT ARE FAST. BUT IF YOU GET OUT OF THE GROVE (WITH THE TRACK CONDITIONS WE HAVE HAD) YOU GET FREIGHT TRAINED. YOU MUST BE A DIE HARD 410 FAN FROM THE WG...

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (Open Wheel93) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:09:43 GMT

I'd sure have trouble trusting him.

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (someone who knows) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:37:44 GMT

Hey i heard thru the grapevine over the weekend they were told that if we get enough cars to go back to suskie todd would like to have us back there..there would be changes for the good..and maybe then you would see some good racing like we had at the springs... just a thought..

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (KGSkins) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:08:40 GMT

If that's all you got son you should take up rock throwing at a lake

And your not going to see 55 cars with NO PASSING when it is FOLLOW THE LEADER

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (racedawhile) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:34:06 GMT

WOW!!! I must have hit a nerve somewhere!

I mentioned the engine rule as a suggestion but here are the facts my friends:

Self preservation-If something doesn't change in the near future the rules won't matter because the sportsman class will not exist. How many tracks are beating down the doors of the SS to get them in for a show?
Money-We all know it takes money to race and some people have more than othersand that is just the way it is
Competion-Having...

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (KGSkins) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:32:39 GMT

Open Wheel....... I can tell you this for fact our days at Lincoln are becoming short lived. They are having less and less interest of having us over there. Our car count isn't much to brag about over there. When talking to people I know over there I told them I projected close to 40-45 car's showing up over there........ HA! Wasn't even close. They have been disapointed with the turn out. And for what they pay us in pay Vs. what they could bring other classes for and pay them. I...

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (Open Wheel93) — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:13:38 GMT

As much as I hate that place over at Trail-Ways.....They had a better racing surface for us and they even raced the Night before also.

I agree that the track was terrible on Saturday night.....from what I heard, they...

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (Lincoln Highway Bullitt) — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:56:13 GMT

Can't blame the surface. Did you watch the Late Models? They put on the best show of the evening. Couple of suggestions. Take the WINGS OFF. Air Preasure rule for Right Rear 20psi. That will put the driver back into it and it is free. Well it will cost the track the price of an air gauge to police the cars after the race.

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (KGSkins) — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:11:24 GMT

This is my opinion and my opinion alone!!!

The track size? NOT A FACTOR....... If you was a Bedford you would know why. The track surface SUCKS and it won't get much better. All they do friday night after the races is BLADE the top of the track. But no when the WoO is in for a today show they blade the track and dig it up about a foot deep. If the Williams Grove front office and everyone else that makes up these races think it's great racing then they also need to wake up....

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (fanatic) — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:58:27 GMT

I agree the sportsman seem too locked down. More motor will put guys out of this blue collar divison. Maybe a change in side boards on the wings to loosen the cars up would produce better racing. There seemed to be lots of passing in the heats.

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (flip119) — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:17:19 GMT

Changing the rules is not going to cure the problem. Once one guy gets something bigger, better, faster, it's only a matter of time before everyone else has it just to keep up. It will only cost teams more money and keep more cars at home on Saturday's.

This is not a knock on Williams Grove, so don't get bent out of shape:
Since we've gone to the Grove, what we've got here is a slower version of sprint car racing. Locked down and often follow the leader...

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (SoLo92s10) — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:54:04 GMT

i agree with 22wildchild 100%

Re: Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (22WILDCHILD) — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:22:40 GMT

I DON'T THINK RULE CHANGES ARE GOING TO MAGICALLY MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER.

FIRST OF ALL, YOU START CHANGING ENGINE RULES TO GET MORE SPEED, YOU ARE GOING TO HURT A LOT OF DRIVERS. (YOU MUST REMEMBER WE ARE MUCH HEAVIER THEN EVERY OTHER OPEN WHEEL CLASS.)

SECOND, I DON'T THINK THE SPEED IS AN ISSUE, AS MUCH AS THE AMOUNT OF PASSING.

THIS CLASS IS BY FAR THE MOST COMPETITIVE CLASS ANYWHERE IN PA. YOU CAN WIN ONE WEEK,...

Keeping the Grove as the home track????

feeds@yuku.com (racedawhile) — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:01:30 GMT

After watching a lot of races over the years at Williams Grove, I must say that the sportsman races are the most boring that I have ever seen. If the supersportsmans are going to continue to keep the grove as the home track has anyone ever thought of opening up some rules (mainly engine) so there might actually be a pass in a 20 lap feature? Kind of hard to get fans in the stands to, what is like, watching grass grow.

As much as I understand the money issues there needs to be some...